Hull City A.F.C. to be renamed Hull City Tigers

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BBC comment section is akin to TSN and Yahoo on this subject.

Reminds me of when rugby league went through all the rebranding. Loads of angst and whining, but everyone seems to have accepted it now. (Apart from Halifax, who very sensibly dropped the Blue Sox name.)

They will still be the same, shitty Hull....name change, or no name change!

Premier League have refused it. Still Hull City AFC.

Not so long ago, the chairman of my beloved York City was one John Batchelor. He'd changed his name to 'John B&Q' to gain sponsorship for his touring car team, which gives you some idea of the kind of guy we're talking about.

The club was about to fold, and it had happened so fast there was no time to organise a supporters trust. John B stepped in like the hero, and saved the club from certain death, with 35 minutes to spare.

He decided to change the name of the club to York City Soccer Club, and the logo to a shield that incorporated a chequered flag. He also redesigned the kit to have a chequered sleeve.

What actually happened, was that his ideas were poor. His supposed link with the Chicago Fire never came off, and so the racing/american link was pointless.

Needless to say, as soon as we (as a supporters trust) bought the club off him for £1, we renamed the club York City FC again, and returned the logo to a more acceptable image.

Just because someone saves the club in their hour of need, doesn't mean they knopw how to run a club, or how to market it. Many teams have been known in their current naming format for sometimes 100years or more. Changing the name should never be something taken lightly to make the club more 'exciting'.

Think the PL said they would go through the process if he goes through the right process to change name, rather than just announce it like he did. The PL's method includes letting the fans have their say, so even if the guy does this the right way it'll get a resounding ‘no’ from the Hull faithful. I don't have a clue how the Football League would handle it. They're a bit of a shambles when it comes to the upper management and owners of clubs, i.e. Coventry situation, Cardiff rebrand, etc.

As much as I hate to say it at the end of the day football clubs are private businesses. The owners have every right to do what they like with them regardless of what the fans think. Now of course you would be stupid to ignore such a vivid and vocal response to any changes and any businessman (or lady) worth their salt wouldn't make decision that would so obviously impact the fiscal viability of the businesses but it is ultimately their decision. Fans thinking they have some divine right to have a say on how a club is run are living in doo-lally land. I get that over the generations there becomes a huge local invested interest for the community and that there is a 'sense' of belonging but that's tough I'm afraid. You want a say, stump up some money for a majority shareholding like they have. That's the economic system we live in, why should a sports business be the exception?

CFCNick wrote:Think the PL said they would go through the process if he goes through the right process to change name, rather than just announce it like he did. The PL's method includes letting the fans have their say, so even if the guy does this the right way it'll get a resounding ‘no’ from the Hull faithful. I don't have a clue how the Football League would handle it. They're a bit of a shambles when it comes to the upper management and owners of clubs, i.e. Coventry situation, Cardiff rebrand, etc.

You honestly claiming that the PL do a good job ? There awful and have ruined football , teams like Portsmouth are in the situation they are in now because they tried to compete in the PL. PL is about money and thats it , they claim to offer the best league in the world? No its not , its not the best league in England. Best quality of teams? No its not look how badly the PL teams did in the CL last year. The PL is in decline and I just hope we (Wolves) never ever return to it

NYR_UK_Marc wrote:The PL is in decline and I just hope we (Wolves) never ever return to it

Ok Moo that's reaching new Bilo levels, even for you.

NYR_UK_Marc wrote:

CFCNick wrote:Think the PL said they would go through the process if he goes through the right process to change name, rather than just announce it like he did. The PL's method includes letting the fans have their say, so even if the guy does this the right way it'll get a resounding ‘no’ from the Hull faithful. I don't have a clue how the Football League would handle it. They're a bit of a shambles when it comes to the upper management and owners of clubs, i.e. Coventry situation, Cardiff rebrand, etc.

You honestly claiming that the PL do a good job ? There awful and have ruined football , teams like Portsmouth are in the situation they are in now because they tried to compete in the PL. PL is about money and thats it , they claim to offer the best league in the world? No its not , its not the best league in England. Best quality of teams? No its not look how badly the PL teams did in the CL last year. The PL is in decline and I just hope we (Wolves) never ever return to it

The Portsmouth situation isn't the PLs fault. Portsmouth were doing just fine as they were. They had a couple of good seasons and ended up winning the FA Cup. With this frequent success Harry and the board spent money they didn't have in the premise the on field success would pay it back. According to David James the players put too much emphasis into their Europa League campaign and it spoilt their league form and position and that lead to the league giving them a lesser sized end of season bonus for finishing lower than the board and Harry expected. Then, at the first sign of struggle and tightening the wallet, they decided to sell up and cut their losses ASAP and sold the club to the wrong people and it all snowballed from there.

I love when fans of lower league clubs spout the "against modern football" bullshit. It's the trendy thing to say but when all is said and done you'd all love to be up here and suckling on Sky's teet. The Football League have contributed to more clubs downfalls with their ridiculous points deductions like the 30 pointer Luton got in League 2 which relegated them and almost made them go bust.

Also, it was the FL that green lit the Wimbledon move to MK.

CFCNick wrote:
I love when fans of lower league clubs spout the "against modern football" bullshit. It's the trendy thing to say but when all is said and done you'd all love to be up here and suckling on Sky's teet. The Football League have contributed to more clubs downfalls with their ridiculous points deductions like the 30 pointer Luton got in League 2 which relegated them and almost made them go bust.

Also, it was the FL that green lit the Wimbledon move to MK.

Luton contributed more to their own downfall than the Football League - there are rules in place and if you break them you will be punished. They went bust over and over again, and the rules state going into adminstration costs you 10 points. Ergo every time they went bust with one failure of a chairman after another they lost 10 points - thems the rules.

Or are you saying that rule shouldn't be in there and teams can spend way over their earnings and expect a bailout later? Blimey, 'Arry would love that after busting Bournemouth, Southampton and Portsmouth! Only hope that Spurs now find 'Arry's accounting and sell Bale to Madrid.

As for the Wimbledon move, the fans were staying away in droves, and MK was begging for a team. As hockey fans, we should know more than most about franchises, and if Wimbledon didn't move to MK, the likelihood is they would be where Luton are now (if not worse off, knowing the loyalty of Luton fans). Or of course, Phoenix.

I think the thing with many football teams is that the big teams can get the big incomes, so the desire is there to become a 'big team'.

Take Crawley Town. Non league nobodies for many years. Then an affluent chairman comes in and floods the club with cash. They buy all the best players, rocket up the leages, and now crappy Crawley town are playing in League 1, still with one of the lowest attendances in the league, but they're mixing it with the big boys. Problem is, that it only takes a good cup run or two, or a load of glory supporters to show up for a few weeks, and a lot of the money is recouped.

This means many clubs will take the risk. As more teams decide to go for the 'victory or bust' route, you'll find there are just as many teams that make it (Crawley, Stevenage, Fleetwood), as will fail and tumble down the leagues (Portsmouth, Rushden & Diamonds, Darlington, Chester).

Football teams are rarely the passion of lifelong fans who finally get the chance to run them, and more often than not, a rich persons plaything.

I understand the 10 point deduction for administration and that's a fair rule but Luton were given 30 in one chunk. You'd think the league would want to be a bit more lenient than that to help one of it's members. They would of had to have a playoff season just to stay up.

CFCNick wrote:I understand the 10 point deduction for administration and that's a fair rule but Luton were given 30 in one chunk. You'd think the league would want to be a bit more lenient than that to help one of it's members. They would of had to have a playoff season just to stay up.

Meh. Been there, done that, got the t-shirt. Leeds were given ten points which dumped them into Div 3. And then had to start the following season with -15 points. (No of course I'm not bitter). As Leafy says, them's the rules.